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Friern Barnet Photo Archive

199th North London Scout Troop
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199th North London Scout Troop

The 199th North London Scout Troop in 1953
Picture added on 02 October 2009 at 12:04
Does anyone know where this scout troop were based? I was in a troop based in a church (Methodist, I think) in Manor Drive, off Friern Barnet Lane in the late 50's and very early 60's. I seem to remember it was the 177th scout troop, but I may have got it wrong. The summer camps - Somerset, Arundel, Dunwich were great fun. Any info would be gratefully received.
Added by Shamus Dark on 19 July 2010
They were based in the scout hut on the pathway between Goldsmith Road and Glenthorne Road in Friern Barnet, which is shown in photo number 1764. I was involved between about 1957 and 1967. I have some doubts about the 1953 date given for photo 105, as I think it was later - I recognise some of the faces (but am having difficulty putting names to them!).
Added by Keith Duff on 30 July 2010
Strange that there were two scout troops in the same relatively small area; Manor Drive is a short distance up Friern Barnet Lane. I was in the Cubs and Scouts based at the Methodist Church and I'm reasonably certain that it was the 177th troop. But maybe old age is creeping up! Maybe someone, somewhere, sometime will enlighten us further....
Added by Shamus on 04 August 2010
The 199th North London were definitely based in the Goldsmith Road hut, and I also recall that there were indeed a lot of scout troops in the area - it was a very popular activity at the time. I was a scout and senior scout there between about 1957 and 1967. I can't remember the numbers of the others I'm afraid. The 199th were linked directly to St Johns Church in Friern Barnet Road, and to St James in Friern Barnet Lane, by Friary Park.
Added by Keith Duff on 06 August 2010
199th Scout Troop was definitely based at the Scout and Guide HQ in Stanford Road (corner of Goldsmith Road). The photograph is taken in the field of the old hut before the land was levelled. I know two people in this photograph: John Philpott (3rd left) and Clive Garey (far right) and have possession of some albums if anybody is interested to see them.
Added by Helen Edwards on 31 October 2010
I too recognise most of the faces here but couldn`t put a name to them after all this time. They definately met at the hut in the alley at the end of Goldsmith Road,and were attached to the two churches mentioned above, as did the 4th Friern Barnet Girl Guides to which I belonged for most of the fifties. Does anyone have photos of those Guides from around that time?
Added by Pat Acornley nee Moore on 06 November 2010
Thelma Harris was the Guide Leader of 4th Friern Barnet Guides for over 40 years. She died in 1997. I have all of her photograph albums and cine films taken during that period. If you would like to get in touch through e-mail, please do and I will happily arrange to show them to you.
Added by Helen Edwards on 08 November 2010
I recognise the faces from the scouts based opposite St. Johns School where I was a pupil from 1950-1952. The boys then went onto St. James School until the age of 11, for me that was 1956. I remember a scout camp at Walmer in Kent, about 1957. The scoutmasters were very good, another scout I remember was Tony Trippett(?). He went to Finchley County and I went to Woodhouse School.
Added by Raymond Willett on 27 November 2010
I can identify most of the faces in the photograph and the year is almost certainly 1953. Left to right Michael Dilley, ? Low, Don Snowdon, Arthur Shmald, Derek Purton, (I believe) Nigel Hoare, unknown. I was in the 199 from around 1940-41 to 1951, and have been associated with the group until 1963. Several old scouts from the 40-50 period do meet up annually.
Added by David Mitchell on 13 December 2010
I can identify Don Snowdon who I left school with to start in Forestry, also Derek Purton who lived just down the road. I am in contact with Ron Fincher who was a member for the same period. I remember Mr Adair who was a senior member. Other names that come to mind are Victor Ablewhite and the Stratford brothers.
Added by Kenneth Reynolds On 27th.deceme on 27 December 2010
I recognise Derek Purton and Clive Garey who lived in Woodleigh Avenue (I lived in Hollick Wood Avenue, off Woodleigh Avenue), and I also recognise John Low. I remember in particular going to the Gang Shows that the 199th put on annually. The photograph would be circa 1951/1953.
Added by Audrey Boyes (nee Bell) on 16 October 2011
Refering to my entry of the 27th Dec. I need to make a correction. The brothers I mention were the Strattons, Michael and Geoff, who both went off as far as I can remember to join the commandos. I too lived in Hollickwood Ave. at No2. I remember Nigel Hoare and further down a chap called Greenwood who also was in the scouts and I believe joined the the Merchant Navy. There was also a boy further down on our side, Ian Mcgregor, I remember because he fell off an air raid shelter in front of our house and broke a leg. I think this as much I can add just now so I will sign off.

Added by K.I.Reynolds on 24 January 2012
I can recognise from left to right as Michael Dilley .Gordon Low, Don Snowdon, Arthur Schemald, David Brinklow, Nigel Hoare & Peter Hunt. I lived in Woodleigh Avenue along with my brother Roy also a scouter and I clearly remember Audrey Bell and her sisters Pauline & Eileen, Kenny Reynolds , Clive Garey , Brian Impey, David Mitchell, Ron Fincher, Don Snowden and Nigel Hoare who sadly died last May. a few of us still meet for our annual re-union. I am sure the year was 1953 taken in the field behind the scout hut in Goldsmith Road
Added by Derek Purton on 23 January 2013
I am Josephine Cushing née Atkin and I married Lawrence Cushing. We met at the scout hut, he in the 199 Scout troop and me in Thema Harris Guides, the 4th Friern Barnet Girl Guides. Great time of my life and I remember all the names in the photos, plus doing the show Evening Stars once a year at the church hall in Friern Barnet Lane. We have been married for 52 years.
Added by Josephine Cushing on 21 March 2015
I am organising a 4th Friern Barnet Guide Re-union on Sunday, 31/05/15 at the Guide and Scout Hut in Goldsmith Road, N11 3HX for those who were Guides or Rangers with Thelma Harris between 1940 and 1980. Members of 199th North London Scout Troop (or 3rd Friern Barnet Scouts, as it became known) who knew Thelma would be most welcome too. Please phone 07802 709081 for more information.
Added by Helen Edwards (nee Spencer) on 23 March 2015
I was in the 4th Friern Barnet Girl Guides with Thelma Harris for years camping Cherry Green Trees her back garden with the Boy Scouts, and then went on to be an akela with Rita Impey taking the cubs great fun. Then we started the Rangers I have a good photo of all the Rangers after church parade at St James Church Friern Barnet. Pat moore was my best friend. Thelma was a lovely person to know and lots of fun. I will not be able to attend as I know live in New Zealand with Lawrence Cushing who I have known since our scouting days.
Added by Josepine Cushing nee Atkin on 24 March 2015
I am the PL on the right of the photograph. The lineup is
Michael Dilly, Gordon Lowe, Don Snowdon, Arthur Schemald, Ronnie Osborne, Peter Moore & Peter Cooley. Peter Moore and I were 1949 intake to Woodhouse Grammar School and I used to walk to school with Michael Dilly (1950 intake) each morning. I will eventually upload a picture of Peter Moore and me at one of Peter Hunt's birthday parties to demonstrate that Peter Hunt is definitely not in this photo (nor the 199th North London) although he did go to Woodhouse.
Added by Peter Cooley on 20 June 2017
I have uploaded a photograph of what the two PLs on the right (Peter Moore and Peter Cooley) looked like when they were at a birthday party, aged 12
Added by Peter Cooley on 26 June 2017
I am pretty sure that Peter Cooley has correctly named the line up with his contribution dated the 20th. June 2017, but Peter Hunt was definitely in the 199th North London Scout Group at the same time as myself and I can recall him very well
Added by Derek Purton on 15 January 2018
Along with some others I'm trying to record the history of Scouting in our old District – Finchley, Friern Barnet and Golders Green. Originally just Finchley, in 1964 a number of North London Groups joined forces and the District became Finchley and Friern Barnet. Then, in 1971 Groups from Golders Green joined. From 2008, that District became part of a much bigger area covering the whole of the Borough of Barnet. I wonder if anyone may be able to help us in some way. I’m looking for material that relates to the six Friern Barnet Groups to supplement information and photos that we already have. Of course, if you know about the Finchley and Golders Green groups we'd love to hear about them as well. You can see some of the work that we've done so far at www.barnetscouts.com/a-history-of-scouting-in-barnet/finchley-friern-barnet-golders-green-district-history
Added by Andrew Rush on 12 May 2022
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